Brexit chuntering. Don't mind me.

[nineveh_uk]

So the big plan after is to do what she should have done three years ago, talk to other parties - and then blame Labour for nearly three years of Tory failure. Got it.

Let's remember, this was a 7 hour cabinet meeting, for which there is no way they weren't all but strip-searched for their phones, their spare phones, their agents' phones, and their kids' phones, and then corralled in Number 10 until after the PM's statement, because it is very, very plain that the cabinet can't be trusted.*

Labour would be insane to agree to any plan not 'signed off' by a referendum. Unfortunately they** are led by Jeremy Corbyn.

*Oh Nigel Boles, I never heard of you before today, but for you interview stating that the next Tory PM cannot be someone who has been a member of the cabinet for the past three years due to [insert list of flaws and failings here] I will nonetheless dredge up some respect.

**We, because I haven't yet resigned despite everything because I won't yet let the bastards win and I intend to be there to vote them out, though my subscription is down to the bare minimum.

Comments

[azdak]

I had heard of him because he put forward one of the indicative votes (as it happens, one I might have voted for myself, as I would happily take a Norway-style arrangement, were one on offer - Norway has already said they wouldn't be happy with having the UK in EFTA, but I can't blame Boles for trying.)

It appears he has now quit the Conservative party, which presumably explains his willingness to indulge in some unusually straight talking.

[nineveh_uk]

It seemed a reasonable one for an indicative vote, though I think we'd have to be in a bloc of one outside EFTA because Norway and co would have to be insane to let the UK in, given the propensity for wrecking behaviour demonstrated in the past couple of years (though even if we were capable of working in good faith, the UK still wouldn't work as a member of EFTA due to the disparity between the different economies).

I disagree with him on vast amounts of other things, but his sincerity on this seems clear, and I like to think that he has not done Boris's chances any good.

[sir_guinglain]

Both Labour and Conservative parties are led by people who either believe the UK economy is big enough to cause a domino effect which will radically change the way the world economy is run, rapidly and for competing notions of the better; or else they are utterly indifferent.

[slemslempike]

I like to think that he has not done Boris's chances any good.

PLEASE.

[tree_and_leaf]

I think he actually physically crossed the floor in proper old-school fashion, didn't he?

[azdak]

Can I ask, belatedly, exactly what "chuntering" means? Is it like ranting? (I saw a tweet today in which the Transport Minister accused the not-so-singularly unlovely Mark Francois of "chuntering away" and I wondered if I had missed some of the overtones in your usage.

[nineveh_uk]

Not like ranting - it's muttering/grumbling quietly. That kind of low-voiced complaining that you get when a sullen 14 year old slopes up to their room muttering "you can't make me." For me, the complaining to oneself element is important, even if you intend to be overheard there is still plausible deniability.

The internet suggests to me that it is northern, which would explain my familiarity, but it has also gained popularity from the Speaker's fondness for the phrase chuntering from a sedentary position to admonish MPs who have not been called to speak,