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To be fair, this study was on rhinovirus and respiratory viruses rather than intestinal bugs, and people don't generally blow their nose on a toilet lid. But I am a bit suspicious that if the study had been of intestinal bugs the toilets might still have won, because if there is one overarching message it is that stuff that gets regularly cleaned because people worry it is dirty, is cleaner than stuff no-one thinks to clean.

The University of Nottingham and the Finnish National Institute of Health and Welfare (available on open access here) have done a study on "Deposition of respiratory virus pathogens on frequently touched surfaces at airport". I.e. they swabbed a load of surfaces at airports and looked at which ones had cold and flu germs on them. Toilet lids, flushes, and interior door locks scored zero. So did lift buttons, check-in screens, and escalator buttons.

The winners? The plastic dog in the children's playground, and luggage trays at the security area, of which rhinovirus, adenovirus, influenza A, and human corona OC43 were each found on 50% of trays sampled.*

The reason for the investigation related to the possibility of airports spreading pandemic flu. Personally, I'm going to be using a LOT of handgel at security from now on. Just to make this study extra special, the samples were taken at Helsinki airport, where [personal profile] antisoppist and I will be next week. I'd better make sure I have plans not to come back to work afterwards - I suspected that being ill immediately after 5 out of my last 5 years September holidays was not sheer coincidence!

In other fun flying news, British pilot licenses will become invalid and have to be reissued after a no-deal Brexit.

Former head of flight operations Captain Mike Vivian [at the CAA] believes a deal will be ultimately reached but says the skills shortage at the CAA is concerning.

He told Sky News: "The CAA has to ramp up the staff that it previously had to discharge these tasks before they were given over to EASA - and that might take some time.

"As of 29 March next year the European Aviation rules and certification and all the rest that go with it cease overnight.

"I don't believe that any responsible body, least of all our government or the CAA, would let it run until that point. We should have clarity I would have thought by the end of this year."


Responsible body??? That just guarantees that if the current government is in charge of it, we're grounded.


*Don't pay by card in the airport pharmacy, either. But that was a smaller sample.

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Date: 2018-09-12 03:56 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] conuly
Hand sanitizers are somewhat effective against gastro diseases, but useless against respiratory - and evidence shows that diseases are building up resistance to their most common concentration of alcohol.

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Date: 2018-09-12 10:03 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tree_and_leaf
*Don't pay by card in the airport pharmacy, either. But that was a smaller sample.

An advantage to contactless I hadn't thought of...

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Date: 2018-09-12 10:12 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] azdak
This is fascinating! The infectiousness of the plastic dog at the children's playground doesn't surprise me one bit (I have just come down with a cold at the mere thought of going to back to kindergarten) but the luggage trays are a shock. Gloves, perhaps?

Have fun in Helsinki! I love it and I'm sure antisoppist knows all the best bits (there was a moomin exhibition at the theatre museum last year - apparently Tove Jansen was heavily into theatre - but I'm not sure if that's still on).

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Date: 2018-09-12 12:16 pm (UTC)
tree_and_leaf: Watercolour of barn owl perched on post. (Default)
From: [personal profile] tree_and_leaf
Disposables? But that definitely would make you look weird.

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Date: 2018-09-13 06:04 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] azdak
Perhaps the thing to do is to own the weirdness - pull out a pair of those blue gloves sinister American government scientists wear on TV, make a show of donning them, and then with great fastidiousness lay every single item neatly in the tray. Glare at anyone who tries to frisk you as if they were a particularly nasty potential superbug, then remove the gloves once you've repacked all your stuff and demand a rubbish bin.

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Date: 2018-09-13 10:19 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tree_and_leaf
Come to think of it, I think the Homeland Security goons do wear blue gloves. I assumed it was for Semtex (etc) related reasons, but maybe they just don't want to get a cold.

Though private citizens are doomed at the US border infection-wise, because of the electronic fingertip scanner thingy.

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Date: 2018-09-12 12:15 pm (UTC)
tree_and_leaf: Watercolour of barn owl perched on post. (Default)
From: [personal profile] tree_and_leaf
We disinfect the toys at our toddler group regularly, but I have a horrible feeling we should do it after every session to have any effect (and even then, I'm sure they're still disgusting disease vectors!)

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Date: 2018-09-12 12:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] azdak
You can console yourself with the thought that exposure to germs helps children to develop robust immune systems. Whereas for poor old Nineveh, it's too late.

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Date: 2018-09-13 10:17 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tree_and_leaf
Come to Cheeky Cherubs, and build your children's immune system!

I'm not sure about that as an advertising tactic, mind....

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Date: 2018-09-13 10:17 am (UTC)
tree_and_leaf: Watercolour of barn owl perched on post. (Default)
From: [personal profile] tree_and_leaf
Don't tempt me - I've got a cold from the little darlings already....

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Date: 2018-09-14 12:26 pm (UTC)
tree_and_leaf: Watercolour of barn owl perched on post. (Default)
From: [personal profile] tree_and_leaf
I seem to remember that when I was working at St Alban's Abbey, which was during the Swine Flu, as well as abolishing physical contact at the peace*, someone suggested introducing sprinkling with consecrated Dettol at the Absolution, but the Dean didn't go for it...



* Some people were very sad when the ban was lifted.

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