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Fanfiction doesn’t have to be practice for ‘professional’ writing in order to be of worth. On the other hand, thinking of it as such can help justify having spent the evening writing 1200 words of Hilary/Bunter when you really ought to be doing something else.

It is not in fact easier to write badfic, or even spoof-fic, than it is to try to produce something good. It is easier to write short excerpts of almost anything. No doubt if I tried to sustain badfic over a thousand words that would present its own challenges. Fantasy!Bunter is at least proving not too grim so far. Mind you, he still has most of his clothes on.

I have not been managing to write the Wimsey/Potterverse crossover, but I have at least been thinking about it and it is developing reasonably well. I now have the “they meet at a party” scene so beloved of Potterfic (not least me. The percentage of my Potterfic involving parties is embarrassingly high), and a bit of jokey RPF has turned into plot. It is always pleasing when a random idea becomes thematic. I still need to work on the purpose of the Corsican bandits, though.

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Date: 2011-01-27 12:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lyras.livejournal.com
This post is pretty apposite considering that, in one of the extremely rare occasions on which I like RL people to my account, I offered to show my sister my LJ today with the explanation that the fanfic was "for practice".

It is easier to write short excerpts of almost anything.

*sigh*

So, um, who met at a party?

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Date: 2011-01-27 12:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nineveh-uk.livejournal.com
I'm generally happy to just like fanfic because it is fun. Even if I didn't write it down I'd still make it up in my head, so I might as well write it down. But occasionally I do like to give myself a bit of justification.

So, um, who met at a party?

Wimsey and an as-yet unnamed witch with a good figure and strong feelings about the state of magical education in New Zealand. The latter is entirely irrelevent to the main plot, but gives them something to talk about.

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Date: 2011-01-27 01:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] azdak.livejournal.com
strong feelings about the state of magical education in New Zealand. The latter is entirely irrelevent to the main plot

Wouldn't it solve your plot-irrelevance problem if she had strong opinions about Corsican bandits instead?

I am looking forward to making the acquaintance of fantasy!Bunter.

It is easier to write short excerpts of almost anything

This really ought to be a truth universally acknowledged (along with the one about a young woman with a good salary necessarily being in want of a house).

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Date: 2011-01-27 02:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nineveh-uk.livejournal.com
if she had strong opinions about Corsican bandits instead?

It isn't really plot irrelevent - the political complexities will allow them to bond over class snobbery ("the lower orders are so prejudiced") whilst also allowing LPW to function as effectively a bit of rough (this latter bitis important). It just doesn't matter that it is magical education in New Zealand as opposed to another subject fulfilling the same function. But someone else at the party could definitely mention the Corsican bandits.

Fantasy!Bunter would be greatly helped by knowing exactly what one could get away with publishing without being prosecuted for obscenity, or whatever it was. But I haven't got to that bit yet.

a young woman with a good salary necessarily being in want of a house
Definitely a truth to be acknowledged!

I'm Just Sayin'

Date: 2011-01-27 03:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] executrix.livejournal.com
If it was Corsican *Brothers* they'd be twins, opening up lots of Fun With Polyjuice...

Re: I'm Just Sayin'

Date: 2011-01-27 03:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nineveh-uk.livejournal.com
I fell I am missing something here...

Re: I'm Just Sayin'

Date: 2011-01-27 03:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] executrix.livejournal.com
Ubiquitous thud'n'blunder Victorian meller, based on a Dumas novel--the sort of thing Bunter's Mum and Dad would have seen when they were courting.

Re: I'm Just Sayin'

Date: 2011-01-27 04:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nineveh-uk.livejournal.com
Clearly I ought to watch this to add to aknowledge of Corsica deriving solely from an assumption it looks a bit like Majorca, and Merimee's "Colomba".

Re: I'm Just Sayin'

Date: 2011-01-27 04:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] antisoppist.livejournal.com
Why do they have to be Corsican bandits anyway? Just because Corsica is where bandits come from? Wouldn't it be easier if they were Norwegian skiing bandits and you could write off all your holidays as Gathering Material?

Re: I'm Just Sayin'

Date: 2011-01-27 05:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nineveh-uk.livejournal.com
It's the other way round - it is set in Corsica (it is warmer than Norway), and Corsica has bandits.

However I am very tempted by the thought of writing off skiing holidays as gathering material...

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Date: 2011-01-27 01:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] custardpringle.livejournal.com
Man, I am kind of REALLY INTERESTED to see your Wimsey/Potterfic! I didn't realize you were writing any.

(Now I feel all pressured to work on mine, too, and keep my end up or something.)

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Date: 2011-01-27 02:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nineveh-uk.livejournal.com
It is a sort of eternal WIP that I finally got down to serious work on during [livejournal.com profile] picowrimo in November. It involves Wimsey discovering the Wizarding World and going to Hogwarts to sort out its library, Corsican bandits, a mystery, and also, er, mpreg.

I do not pressure anyone. Well, except to say you shouldwork on yours. When you want to ;-)

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Date: 2011-01-27 06:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] custardpringle.livejournal.com
Oooooh, yay! This sounds fantastic :D

Mine, which I am posting in arbitrary bits and refuse to ever arrange into an Actual Longfic Project, is a Hilary/St. George fic where they are at Hogwarts together! And Hilary is a Triwizard Champion and there is a sort of love triangle with the Beauxbatons champion and lots of adolescent drama, and . . . somewhere in there I swear there is a murder mystery plot and Peter and Charles are hanging around to sort it out :D? And Harriet is Potions Mistress and has just about the same kind of relationship with Peter that she does in 1932 in canon, really. So no mpreg, but plenty of other embarrassing fluff to make up for it. >.>

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Date: 2011-01-28 03:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nineveh-uk.livejournal.com
Ooh, I didn't realise that Harriet showed up in yours, and in HHC mode, too (I love HHC). I shall await with interest! Mine is also writing itself in arbitrary bits. It's not like I don't like the lecture about Dementors or anything, but it's not much use until I fill in everything else first, and try and produce some semblance of a plot.

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Date: 2011-01-28 06:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] custardpringle.livejournal.com
She does :D I don't think she's in anything I've posted so far, except for a single passing mention, but I think the next bit I'm going to write will be about her!

I actually have enough of a plot to go on, which is kind of extraordinary for me; what I really need is to work out the particulars of the three Triwizard challenges.

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Date: 2011-01-28 07:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nineveh-uk.livejournal.com
I shall look forward to it!

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Date: 2011-01-27 01:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] executrix.livejournal.com
Are you implying that Bunter becomes grim once his kit is off?

My complete ignorance about what is going to happen in S2 of Downton Abbey has not stopped me from speculating about High Life Above and Below Stairs involving LPW and Bunter Apres-Guerre.

ION, I have acquired the Other Source I needed for That Fic I'm Dropping Hints About.

cheers everyone else on

Date: 2011-01-27 02:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] antisoppist.livejournal.com
The world needs more Bunter, in whatever state of grimness or undress.

Re: cheers everyone else on

Date: 2011-01-27 03:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] executrix.livejournal.com
I expect him to be able to resist Thomas' blandishments, however. (Assuming Downtown Abbey doesn't just kill off most of the male characters and start over again.)

Re: cheers everyone else on

Date: 2011-01-27 03:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nineveh-uk.livejournal.com
*snerk* I am sure he wouldfind Thomas eminently resistable. For whatever reason.

Re: cheers everyone else on

Date: 2011-01-27 04:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] antisoppist.livejournal.com
Assuming Downtown Abbey doesn't just kill off most of the male characters and start over again

WWI does have a habit of doing that. But I doubt the scriptwriters think we want a series based around the elderly and infirm. Perhaps the setting will move to a foreign field and there will be lots of class barrier defying bonding in the trenches... And all the women will turn into Vera Brittain and go and be nurses (but that has rather been done before).

Re: cheers everyone else on

Date: 2011-01-27 04:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] penguineggs.livejournal.com
Whichever one of the younger daughters is less ghastly is bound to head off to nurse.

Re: cheers everyone else on

Date: 2011-01-27 05:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] executrix.livejournal.com
I still haven't seen Episode 4 (in the US configuration of 4 longer episodes) but I assume it'll be the one who I'm betting on getting off with 'Enry Straker.

Re: cheers everyone else on

Date: 2011-01-27 06:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nineveh-uk.livejournal.com
The other one being the "daughter least likely to be mourned if a bomb drops on her".

Re: cheers everyone else on

Date: 2011-01-27 03:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nineveh-uk.livejournal.com
He will, eventually, not be grim, and will be undressed. In the meantime, he needs to dazzle in his daringly-topless swimming trunks.

Re: cheers everyone else on

Date: 2011-01-27 03:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] azdak.livejournal.com
he needs to dazzle in his daringly-topless swimming trunks.



You mean the ones where the belt is well above the navel?

Perhaps he could be standing tummy-deep in blue mediterranean water at the time...

Re: cheers everyone else on

Date: 2011-01-27 04:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nineveh-uk.livejournal.com
the ones where the belt is well above the navel?

Well, yes, but still below the nipples.

I am not sure what he will be doing. Possibly walking up the beach in the manner of the subject of "You're So Vain", beds of water dropping from his tousled hair to slide down his manly chest. I feel that the inadvertant discovery of him skinny-dipping ought to be reserved for Harriet, for maximum embarrassment potential.

Re: cheers everyone else on

Date: 2011-01-27 04:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nineveh-uk.livejournal.com
Beads of water, that is.

Re: cheers everyone else on

Date: 2011-01-27 05:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] azdak.livejournal.com
beads of water dropping from his tousled hair to slide down his manly chest.

This raises a very important issue, which I feel needs to be cleared up before I can allow my imagination to proceed any further - this tousled hair, is it on his chest, or is it only Charles who has a rug there?

I feel that the inadvertant discovery of him skinny-dipping ought to be reserved for Harriet, for maximum embarrassment potential.

I can only concur. And having made this inadvertent discovery, perhaps she is then able to confirm that Hilary's description is only slightly exaggerated.

Re: cheers everyone else on

Date: 2011-01-27 06:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nineveh-uk.livejournal.com
This raises a very important issue
This particularly tousled hair is on his head, being thus distinguished from it's usually neatly brilliantined quality. As for his chest, I think that Bunter's will be moderately hairy, being more obviously symbolically masculine than Peter's, but less animal than gorilla-rugged Charles.

perhaps she is then able to confirm that Hilary's description is only slightly exaggerated
I was going to say that you'd think Peter would have picked this information up in 20 years, but the handing of the towel to the chap in the bath is only a one-way service.

Re: cheers everyone else on

Date: 2011-01-28 04:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] azdak.livejournal.com
more obviously symbolically masculine than Peter's, but less animal than gorilla-rugged Charles.

Fine. I can cope with that. I don't mind Charles looking like a gorilla because I never fancied him anyway.

the handing of the towel to the chap in the bath is only a one-way service.

Ditto scrubbing under pumps. I'm sure there was a fair amount of non-hierarchical widdling in the trenches, giving plenty of opportunity for a noticing man to notice things ("will the neighbours say/'He was a man who used to notice such things'?"), but that was more than twenty years ago and Peter may have doubted that his memory was still accurate.

Hail, Blithe Spirit, Bird Thou Never Wert

Date: 2011-01-28 01:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] executrix.livejournal.com
Fine. I can cope with that. I don't mind Charles looking like a gorilla because I never fancied him anyway.

Yes, but anybody named Charlie Parker can improvise...

bada-bing!

Re: Hail, Blithe Spirit, Bird Thou Never Wert

Date: 2011-01-28 03:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nineveh-uk.livejournal.com
In the case of the Detective Inspector, however, they might be lengthy extempore prayers...

Re: cheers everyone else on

Date: 2011-01-28 03:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nineveh-uk.livejournal.com
plenty of opportunity for a noticing man to notice things

Or perhaps he trained himself out of that specific noticing at school very quickly after the first time he got his head flushed in the bogs.

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Date: 2011-01-27 03:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nineveh-uk.livejournal.com
implying that Bunter becomes grim once his kit is off
Definitely not! But it is probably easier to write him being upright and fully-dressed in a garden than his fantasy persona initiating the young heroine into the Art of Lurve.

A Downton Abbey crossover - fantastic! I expect S2 to bear about the same resemblance to reality as S1, so I am sure you can do anything you like to bring us Bunter and LPW.

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Date: 2011-01-27 03:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] executrix.livejournal.com
Possibly all of Downton Abbey is a hallucination dreamed up to intimidate Blake.

Hmm. The legal problems should be even worse in S2, so perhaps Sir Impey and Murbles can also drop in.

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Date: 2011-01-27 06:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nineveh-uk.livejournal.com
If only they'd asked Murbles in the first place. But I wonder who is the heir if Matthew snuffs is...

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Date: 2011-01-27 08:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] executrix.livejournal.com
They'll be JOLLY upset if it's Rev. Hallelujah Dawson.

You'll Find Us All, Doing the Lambeth Wand. Oi!

Date: 2011-01-27 09:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] executrix.livejournal.com
ETA:
and almost as upset if it's Kipps or Bill Snibson (Me and My Girl).

The Dursleys will be JOLLY upset if it's Harry.

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Date: 2011-01-27 05:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] gramarye1971
*wryface* I try to tell myself that doing the research for fanfiction is practising the skills I use for nonfanfiction research. It would be easier to justify if I didn't use it as an excuse to bang out about 3000 words of fic on 16th-century Switzerland that has absolutely no relation to anything else I'm researching for RL work at the moment.

*hopes for fantasy!Bunter to continue to disrobe without becoming grim!*

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Date: 2011-01-28 03:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nineveh-uk.livejournal.com
I try to avoiding research fanfiction, but I see that the principle is the same ;-)

Fantasy!Bunter will not be grim. He will be virile, well-dressed, and slightly more recognisable than the author realises.

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