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Red Cliff Who would have thought a film based on a famous battle had so much fighting in it? Not me, apparently. Political strategising, too, but lots and lots of fighting, which I have to admit got a bit much. The film tells - at whopping length, I watched the +4 hours two-part original over two successive evenings - an incident from history /The Romance of the Three Kingdoms, in which Cao Cao, chief minister of a young puppet emperor, leads the imperial army southwards with the aim of capturing 'rebels'/the southern kingdom, and perhaps ultimately installing himself on the throne. Our trusty heroes must assemble their forces to defeat his implausibly massive army, with their chief strategist Zhuge Liang who even to my untutored eye is quite obviously the ur-Mei Changsu* from whom every later genius Chinese strategist is derived. Right down to the being a bit of a drama queen.

It was a bit more of an action film than I was expecting, but for something four hours long it nonetheless kept my interest, partly because - like CT,HD - it was extremely filmic. No need to put in every conversation, it worked with quite a different visual style and script from lengthy Cdramas, and a real sense of scale. Further to my post on terrible Cnovel translations, the DVD had different subtitlers for parts 1 and 2 and no agreed crib sheet. This meant that (1) was a bit more generous with inclusion of (translated) honorifics, (2) more inclined to substitute with names. (2) had more fun with a character's modestly claiming to know 'a little' about various subjects with 'a trifle', which felt more apposite with the character. But, being proper subtitles for a film, they were overall very decent.

I've also reached the point of going 'I recognised that actor, but have no idea what I've seen them in' that I do with Anglophone films, in this case especially with the actor playing Cao Cao, Zhang Fengyi, who I turned out to have seen in rather different roles in Farewell My Concubine, and The Emperor and the Assassin** , which was 20 years ago, definitely the one I recognised him from, and I'd really like to see again.

Anyway, interesting, long, and ultimately probably more emotionally engaging if you have cultural familiarity with the characters and can appreciate its specific take on a classic story, but well worth a couple of evenings' viewing.

Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon By far the most high profile of Chinese historical/wuxia dramas that showed up in the UK cinemas in the early 2000s, I saw this originally at Bradford's splendid Pictureville cinema, and certainly my television can't compare, but twenty years on the film itself holds up. We're in the nineteenth century, not that you could tell beyond the dreadful Qing hairstyle, with Yu Shu Lien (Michelle Yeoh) running a logistics/security firm and suffering UST with her good friend and renowned swordsman Li Mu Bai (Chow Yun-fat) with whom she can't get together because she was long ago engaged to his best friend, who died.

I loved this rewatch. It looks glorious, the cinematography is top-notch, it is full of emotion, a series of sequences, of pictures, in different settings, glorious to look at, at its heart is emotion, a poem of feeling. It's also very entertaining to watch having seen some of the wuxia tropes and actually knowing they are tropes. Oh look, here's a fight in a rural tavern! Here's a character jumping off a cliff! More subtitling interest, in that for western audiences the name of the young female character Yu Jiaolong was evidently felt too challenging, and she was renamed Jen Yu when it was released and remained so in the subs - but 'giang hu' went merely transliterated.

Rewatching it seemed to me a film about what it means to be true to oneself, to other people, and to ideals, and what it is to betray them. Yu Shu Lien and Li Mu Bai haven't married because they think to do so would be to betray the man they both loved, but in fact all this means is that they have been true neither to their love for one another nor to him. The theme resonates across the characters, as they attempt to fulfill themselves and are frustrated by each other and the duties/demands of society in a complex web. I'm sure for a viewer a lot more familiar with wuxia themes than I am it is in clearer dialogue with those, but it doesn't need that to work splendidly as a film. And of course it is all very Ang Lee. Watching it without being overwhelmed by one's first wuxia drama, the fingerprints of the man who five years earlier had made Sense and Sensibility are all over it.

*Also one general looked like he had a bad case of the poison of the bitter flame, so apparently ancient Chinese troops could cope fine with being commanded by yetis.

**Both directed by Chen Kaige, more recently known for The Battle of Lake Changjin, which I can live without.

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Date: 2022-04-28 10:31 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] caulkhead
Provided he's a strategically competent yeti, what's a bit of fur between friends?

I just started watching CT:HD yesterday. Interesting to know that it is 19th century; I missed that entirely, though I was wondering what on earth was going in with the hairstyles.

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Date: 2022-04-29 07:40 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] legionseagle
I have to say, my overwhelming emotion when watching CT:HD the first time round (I've not re-watched it) was absolute fury that the junior female lead gets admitted into Shaolin and then leaps off a waterfall for love: "You idiot: they're going to use that to justify claiming that women are inherently too unstable to practise martial arts from now until the end of time!"
Edited Date: 2022-04-29 07:40 am (UTC)

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Date: 2022-04-29 08:46 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] caulkhead
I didn't read it that way; I read it as 'now good enough at improbable martial arts to actually fly'.

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Date: 2022-04-29 07:52 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] azdak
My first (and so far only) Qing dynasty c-drama was "The Story of Yanxi Palace" and I was surprised by how undisturbed I was by the haircuts. I mean, they ought to have looked ghastly but I got used to them really quickly.

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Date: 2022-04-29 01:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] azdak
It did such a radical shift in tone from rebellious to reactionary as our heroine climbed through the ranks that I found it completely fascinating (and there are one or two moments where I wondered if they were deliberately trying to undermine their ostensible support for the hierarchy or if the plot was just all over the place - I mean, it definitely is all over the place but sometimes it’s possible to read a deliberate choice into it, if one is so inclined. I keep meaning to post about it and then being too lazy to, but I would say it’s generally entertaining and it’s implications are often fascinating but it definitely pulled a bait-and-switch on me.

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Date: 2022-04-30 04:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] azdak
I really am afflicted with terrible laziness at the moment. I do very much want to post about it, but not enough to actually do any writing. Perhaps the summer holidays will produce the necessary level of boredom.

Re. the ur-Mei Changsu, perhaps we should refer to him as Mei ChangQ? (theology joke).

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Date: 2022-05-03 04:36 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] azdak
"Q" stands for "Quelle" (source) and is the ur-text from which the gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke are derived. It is not a piece of information I have ever needed since doing Theology as a Subsidiary Subject at university. Until now!

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Date: 2022-04-29 07:40 am (UTC)
legionseagle: Lai Choi San (Default)
From: [personal profile] legionseagle
"I don't care if he's a yeti, he's our yeti."

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Date: 2022-04-29 07:53 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] azdak
This is the only rational attitude to have towards a competent military commander.

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Date: 2022-04-29 01:12 pm (UTC)
legionseagle: Lai Choi San (Default)
From: [personal profile] legionseagle
Plus, you know he's a yeti. The other side do not. Much can be made of the Surprise!Yeti effect,

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Date: 2022-04-29 01:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] azdak
I have literally just this second realised that the reason they can’t shave him is because of the prohibition on cutting your hair. So yes, you might as well make a virtue of necessity and go for the “WTF is that and will it eat us?!!!” effect.

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Date: 2022-04-30 05:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] azdak
Now we understand why Consort Jing's "You used to look so like your father!" is so terribly wounding.

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